When there is no thought, are we with the pure self?
Q : Being in chronological time is like experiencing the moments of no time and is this state called, “being in the present moment”? And since there is no other thought between me and the object, can we call this as being with the pure self? Is the state experienced during the deep sleep state also as there too is no mind and space? Could you please explain the difference?
Answer Ratna, when someone is trying to be in the present moment & being be thoughtless, as you said there is no thought between the object & me, that is the perfect present moment where one can experience the pure self. It may lead to that direction, but not necessarily. The state which one experiences in the deep sleep has in a way, similar signs & symptoms which a person in deep meditation would have.
Minus one point - in meditation the conscious level is at its optimum high, but in deep sleep, the mind is quiet. There aren’t any thoughts happening, there aren’t any dreams happening, but there is no ‘chetna’. There is no consciousness which can see that. OK - this is the state of the mind at the moment. It is only when the person wakes up and then uses the memory to recall what kind of state he was in, prior to waking up.
Believe only what your experience tells you. Being in the moment - is creating that mindfulness as Buddha says & as per Vedanta, we say that removing the mind and being in the moment where the past or the future, speculative memory, conditioning or perceptions are not creating a wall in between you & the sensory objects, you & the present moment which is flitting in front of you, where you are totally unattached & totally dispassionate and are stable & still in the moment. If this condition is prolonged, it can lead to the state where the pure self is experienced.