And it’s Sonia Deol with you on your radio and we have with us a very, very special guest live in the studio.

• Sonia Deol: BBC Asia, this is Sonia Deol with you on your radio and it gives me great pleasure to welcome back a guest on this show, who was very-very popular the last time she was here. Very well respected, you could describe her as a mentor, a counselor, as a Guru, as a guide, she is Anandmurti Gurumaa, who is back on tour in this country for Concord tour. Thank you very-very much.

• Gurumaa: Thank you very much for having me in this studio.

• Sonia Deol: It’s great having you in the studio actually. Somebody’s already emailed me saying that they wish they could be sitting so close to you right now.

• Gurumaa: Well, they will get a chance when I will be doing my sessions from today itself.

• Sonia Deol: You are here for how long?

• Gurumaa: Good three weeks. I will be doing three programmes. One here in Walsall, then I will do it in London, in Greenford. Then we will top it up with a very special program. It is of course called Involution which would be the last leg of my tour.

• Sonia Deol: OK, so we will talk a bit more about that later, so that people can write the details down. For those that know nothing about Anandmurti Gurumaa, how would you describe yourself in a nutshell?

• Gurumaa: Hmm, well – that’s a very interesting question. I do not know how to describe myself. Maybe I am a magician, who will bring the magic in their lives (Sonia laughs) and they will begin to laugh and giggle like you. And they will just feel so free to breathe and live their lives that all the stressful situations might still linger on in their lives, but they will know how to cope up with them with a smile.

• Sonia Deol: Yes, so bringing lot of positivity….

• Gurumaa: Yes.

• Sonia Deol: And you were always quite different when you were growing up and ……..

• Gurumaa: I do not know what you mean by saying different, because I believe every child is very different from the other child and every person has different challenging situations. I believe, I was just talking before coming here that the only two people who enjoy this earth is – 1) the one who is awakened and 2) the children. So you can say that children and the awakened ones are very similar for they do what they want to do. The only thing is that children have a little bit of more of foolishness, which they exhume a lot and the awakened one has a lot of wisdom. But one thing is common, they sing, they dance, they cry and they live.

• Sonia Deol: And they just live, they just enjoy.

• Gurumaa: And….

• Sonia Deol: What about the people in the middle how would you describe those people?

• Gurumaa: I have a great sympathy for them. They never got a chance to learn what it means to live. Everybody has been exposed to the idea of how to eat and how to dress well, or how to have a bigger house and a bigger car. But no one has been told how to be happy with your own self. We need something or someone to feel happy and if these two things are not there, people are very-very unhappy and this is the most unfortunate situation that we can be in. As per all the religious scriptures, if I go, we are the spark or the light, or the ray of God. So this means we are God in a ray form and this means we should be the ecstatic, blissful forms.

• Sonia Deol: This is what you concentrate on. You talk a lot about spirituality; you don’t belong to a particular religion.

• Gurumaa: No, I don’t.

• Sonia Deol: And, you talk a lot about the mind, and the soul and how to reconnect and enjoy our lives.

• Gurumaa: Yes.

• Sonia Deol: And how to get rid of this stress and bring our happiness levels up. So, there is lots of positivity in what you say. And I’ve noticed Anandmurtiji that over the last few years, there has been a lot of emphasis in the Western world on the mind and emotions.

• Gurumaa: It is indeed very-very important, because you are living your life through your mind and should I say, you are just the mind. You don’t know who you are. You think you are the mind, so if the mind is scattered, if the mind is not concentrated, then this means your whole life is going to reflect that. So it is indeed very important and I would like to stress upon the point that if you go to the Upanishads, a very big part of the Hindu religion; then all these texts are talking about the mind, and not only the mind but beyond the mind too. And they have done the post-mortem of the human mind in such a wonderful way that once you know it, then you can use this mind as a biggest tool, which will help you to live beautifully.

• Sonia Deol: What do we need to do; I mean what are the biggest obstacles we face in terms of controlling our mind? What are the things, say if my mind is wandering all over the place?

• Gurumaa: Lets say this, there is no need to control your mind and actually, it is impossible to control your mind. We can only manage our mind, because as per one study which was done in the West, in one hour there are 60,000 thoughts which come in the mind. So, do you think you can have any sort of control on that, because the mind is going to think about every sensation and perception; and every memory is going to trigger up waves of thought, not just a single one. And the management of the mind is something which needs,1) Exposure, first to this idea that yes, there is a way to manage it. 2) You need to learn it, as you learnt your driving, as you learnt your cooking, learnt your academics, learnt from schools and colleges. You even learnt how to be deceitful, from someone, and how to lie. So why don’t you think that you do need someone to teach you how to manage your mind?

• Sonia Deol: That’s interesting, what you are talking about, deceit and dishonesty because it’s something that I was talking about in the first hour of the show. Well, I was in a situation where I bought two tennis racquets. I put the tennis racquets in the tennis bag. The guy at the till charged me only for the tennis bag, because he did not realize there were two racquets in that (Gurumaa laughs). OK, now I stood there and thought, my friend said, “Just walk out, it doesn’t matter because, you know it’s your good luck”, and I stood there feeling uncomfortable and I was thinking, ‘I know what the right thing to do here is,’ and I suddenly said, ‘Listen! You haven’t charged me for the racquets, right?’ And then he thanked me and he took the money.

• Gurumaa: Right.

• Sonia Deol: Now, there’s been much debate about whether that’s the right thing to do…..

• Gurumaa: See, valuation of everyone is in a very different way. What is right for you might not be right for someone else.

• Sonia Deol: OK.

• Gurumaa: And the human mind is so egoistic that it wishes to believe that what I believe is right and what the others believe is wrong.

• Sonia Deol: Totally!Gurumaa: So I believe that you should not look for others, even including me, that was it right or not. You should think in yourself, in your mind, what makes you happier. If you are doing good because you feel guilty about doing bad, I would say, ‘Better do bad and don’t feel guilty’. Please mind it, it is a very shocking statement, what I am saying.Sonia Deol: It is a shocking statement.

• Gurumaa: But if you are doing good, and you are doing it out of guilt, then this goodness is a farce.

• Sonia Deol: Right. So do it because you want to do it.

• Gurumaa: You want to do it and it makes you happy, and you know that you aren’t depriving someone of his or her right. So this is something which makes us human, that we have the power to analyze. If we don’t know how to analyze, then we are the dumbest person, dumber than a donkey, maybe in that case, a donkey is wiser than us.

• Sonia Deol: Ha ha ha!
  Here is the number to call, if you want to speak to Anandmurti Gurumaa, guest on our show, ‘aur aap apni zubaan mein bhi baat kar sakte hain.’

• Gurumaa: Sure.

• Sonia Deol: Agar aapne Hindi mein bhi baat karni hai, apni zubaan mein, jo bhi hai, to aap sawaal apni zubaan mein bhi kar sakte hain, apni zubaan mein bhi. Our no. is 08-459-440-445. That is the number to call right now, 08-459-440-445, if you would like to speak to Anandmurti Gurumaa. You can text us as well, 81-869 is the text number. Or you can email Sonia@bbc.co.uk. Now since yesterday, I’ve been telling people that you are going to be here and I have lots of questions already coming in. So let me ask you one of these, first of all.

• I am not going to mention the person’s name, it’s anonymous. It’s basically saying, this is the situation – a man and a woman have been in a relationship together and this woman has been in an on-off relationship with this man for seven years. They haven’t got married because they are of different religions; they’ve got family issues and all that kind of stuff. He hasn’t been wanting to commit to her to get married. He then went away and he cheated on her. He now regrets it and admits that he was wrong. And he keeps coming back in her life, but then disappears again and then comes back. She takes him back and is only strong when he is away. She wants to know from you how can she break her emotional attachment to him and be free to move on with her life.

• Gurumaa: Two things, man by nature is polygamous, you have to accept that. Two…

• Sonia Deol: OK .Explain what that means, to everybody.

• Gurumaa: They like being in relationships with many-many women. But still they will remain unsatisfied. Because when you are unsatisfied in your mind, no one can give you satisfaction, whether it is a man or a woman. It doesn’t make any difference. The percentage of women’s minds if we say, is more of monogamous. She is in a relationship, she wishes to stick and as per the Indian view, ‘saat janam ke liye.’ You know for seven lives, they are stuck. They enjoy being stuck and they wish to work on their relationship more. The problem of today is this that there are so many greener pastures around and there are so many eager people to have quickies and they are so many people eager to enjoy certain hours, or certain days or weeks just to change the taste of your mouth. And you are living in such a society, I am just not talking of the English society, I am talking about even the Indian society. That’s how the mind has become. It is so unsatisfied, it is wandering, it is looking for happiness, it is not finding it. But because of the insecurities, they find it difficult to commit to one relationship, but yet they want some commitment also. So there is a lot of anarchy in the level of their own mind.

• Sonia Deol: Aha!

• Gurumaa: I believe only if this woman had known her own mind properly, that is the only way to strengthen her confidence and have a morale boost up, where she is so happy within herself that now she is ready to share this happiness with someone. The problem over here is this, man is a beggar, is looking for happiness from women. Woman is a beggar, who is looking for happiness from men. When two beggars meet, who will get rich? No one! And that is the problem! I teach that be a richer person within yourself, have that emotional stability in you where others would be following you; and then you can look where you can have a synchronicity with someone who has the same kind of understanding, maturity and wisdom.

• Sonia Deol: What do you do with emotional attachment, when people have that?

• Gurumaa: See, emotional attachment’s root is insecurity. They are insecure and if we dig deep into the mind, then the basic scare is of death. Now this is something which will make things more serious. We are lonesome, we find it difficult to be alone, but yet we are not going to accept that yes, we are lonely and we don’t understand that being alone is different from being lonely. Only if you could learn to enjoy your aloneness, you will be never lonely, whether in a relationship or not in a relationship.

• Sonia Deol: Right, OK. So this……..

• Gurumaa: I give the power in the woman’s hand and I give this power to the man and say, don’t be a beggar, be a rich person.

• Sonia Deol: Be happy, be by yourself.

• Gurumaa: Ya, I just saw a child yesterday alone. The child was jumping and singing and she was not singing some song, la di da da, she was just saying this and she is just happy. Why is she singing? Is she trying to seek attention? No. Is she trying to create a commotion? No. She’s just happy with herself. Please learn from children, how to be happy with yourself.

• Sonia Deol: Some people will say to you, you know, that I want to feel loved from another person. I want to feel it. That’s what I want from a relationship.

• Gurumaa: If you are going to be in a relationship, seeking love and attention from someone, you will never get it and then people begin to behave like a hypocrite and they begin to profess what they are not. They will say they are happy, they are not and the sooner they wish to believe this lie that yes they are happy, maybe with a flower or a dining date or one small vacation, they wish to cover up the misery which they are going through.

• Sonia Deol: What about the other person in the situation? The person who’s cheating – what would you say to those people?

• Gurumaa: Why should we call it a cheating? That person is also looking for happiness, as this girl is looking for happiness. He could not find it over here, so he is looking somewhere else. See, I am again shocking your listeners by saying this, but isn’t it true? Don’t we have this right to be happy, because we are not taught and exposed to the technique to be happy with ourselves. Everyone is looking for happiness from someone and this someone is also looking for happiness and again, I put this story back again; a beggar and a beggar, when they meet together, who is going to get rich, no one!

• Sonia Deol: So the person that is going out, let’s say going out looking for happiness…….

• Gurumaa: Please give that person the benefit of doubt. What is the fault in seeking happiness? See, I am not putting the blame square on the woman. But I am putting the blame definitely on the ignorance of today’s human mind. Why can’t they be satisfied with one another? Why can’t they adjust with one another? Because they actually don’t trust one another. They don’t love one another. Love has become the dirtiest word on this globe. It is being used. They could have said, ‘I am infatuated with you’, they could have said, ‘I am sexually attracted to you’, they could have said that ‘I like you as a friend’, but no no-no-no, they have to use the word ‘love’. Then they abuse one another emotionally and they begin to lie and live a deceitful life and they create hell around them and it is such a sorry thing to see, the poor people, they only.., I really wish they could have some love in their…, the expression of love is, that which makes your mind calm and silent, is love. That experience, which makes your mind full of joy, is love! But Sonia, can you see this thing happening to people when they go in and out of the relationships? When they are in relationships, there is lot of trauma actually happening. To please one other, they are always on tenterhooks. How to please and how not to displease, how to hook up that person and to make a slave of that person, and the other person is also looking for a slave. No one wishes to be a slave and that brings lot of commotion.

• Sonia Deol: Well, I think what happens in relationships is a lot of, from my take on looking at relationships; from my experiences as well and there’s a lot of ‘I am right’, so you were saying earlier…..

• Gurumaa: Right. Yes.

• Sonia Deol: The mind, there is a lot of……., people would like to believe, ‘I am right’.

• Gurumaa: See, every child is born with this ego. We aren’t given ego, every child is born with the ego and the ego is boosted by the family, in the peer groups and teachers and the relatives and that’s how it has become the main key problem of most of the relationships and most of the lives. And only if, see one, only one state of mind where there is no ‘I, I, I’ that is your deep sleep. How lovely that state is!

• Sonia Deol: Yes (both of them laugh).

• Gurumaa: And second would be death.

• Sonia Deol: I am right. There is no choice.

• Sonia Deol: Anandmurti Gurumaa is our special guest on the show, here on the BBC Asia network. And if you would like to put in any questions to Anandmurti, then by all means, there are several ways of getting in touch, email Sonia@bbc.co.uk, you can text it to 81-869, you can call us at 459-440-445. I am going to go the phone line in a short while. First, we’ve got a track here, it’s from one of your albums. It’s called Ishq hi Maula. Tell us about this song.

• Gurumaa: This is a song celebration of the ‘roohani ishq’. Now this is the real ishq what I call. This is the roohani love, this is the divine love, and the one who has it in his or her heart, lives a life of great high and there is no low point and it is a dance and celebration of this beautiful journey. ‘Ishq hi Maula’ meaning, the love in its self is God. I know you are not seeking some anonymous God. We have God when we are in this love. So just listening would make things more clear.

• Sonia Deol: Thank you.

• Sonia Deol: Anandmurti Gurumaa singing ‘Ishq Ishq Maula’, and she is our special guest here on the BBC Asia Network this morning – lots of new questions that are coming in. Can I go straight to the phone lines, yes please? And this is Mrs Kasim first of all, who is on the line. Hello Mrs Kasim.

• Mrs Kasim: Hello. Hello, Sonia how are you?

• Sonia Deol: I am very well, thank you. How are you?

• Mrs Kasim: Not very well, but I thought let me speak to Anandmurti Gurumaa, I might get some satisfaction.

• Sonia Deol: We have a slight technical hitch here, Gurumaa on the headphones. We are going to sort that out in the next few seconds. So just hang on there for me, Mrs Kasim, if you can. In the meantime also, do have a pen and paper ready, if you want more details about Gurumaa, her time in the UK and the courses that are going to be running here, because I give those details on the show. Well, Mrs Kasim, where are you calling from?

• Mrs Kasim: Manchester.

• Sonia Deol: Manchester, OK. And you can hear her now, yes. Gurumaaji?

• Gurumaa: Yes, Mrs Kasim?

• Mrs Kasim: Main Manchester se bol rahi hoon. Mer naam Rubiya Kasim hai. Main aajkal bahut bimaar rahti hoon, mujhe cancer bhi ho gaya hai. Meri beti 31 saal ki hai, uski shaadi nahin hui. To main janna chahti hun ki meri beti ki shaadi hogi, kya main dekh paaungi ki nahin, bahut pareshan rahti hun.

• Gurumaa: Dekhiye aap, aap ek baat samjhiye ki agar aap aise dukhi rahengi aur chinta karengi to aap ka sharir aapki is bimaari ko aur zyada badha dega. Kyunki hamara jo mann hai wo hamare sharir ke sanchaalan mein, the mechanisms of the body ko handle karta hai. Agar aap chinta karengi, fikr karengi to aap ke sharir mein cortisol ki maatra badh jaayegi, jisse aapka cancer aur zyada takleef dega. Iske vipreet, aap apne rab par bharosa rakhen, usne tere is sharir ko banaya, ye mitti ki deh teri banayi hai, aur ek din khak main isne jana hi jana hai. Koi cancer se jaayega, koi to hatta katta bhi jaayega. Ek banda mere se pooch raha tha ki ji, main ji agar do ghante, chaar ghante roz yogasan karun aur phir mera kya hoga? Maine kaha ki bas yah hi, tu swasth marega, bimaar nahin marega. Marna to ye hakikat hai. Is hakikat ko hamein sweekar karna chahiye, lekin agar hum Allah ki raza mein rahte hain aur aai hui is takleef ko bhi kubul kar lete hain, aur ladte nahin hain ki ye Na, na aap kabul kariye aur jo allah miya puri kayanat ko chala raha hai, teri beti ki zindagi ko bhi to chala dega na. Kuch to us par apni chinta ka, fikron ka bojha daal de, wo bari khushi se le lega. Tu fikr kar mat, tu uske upar fikar chhod, Allah Allah kar beth karke, aur subhanallah, sab kuch theek ho jaayega.

• Mrs Kasim: I thank you.

• Gurumaa: OK.

• Sonia Deol: Thank you so much Mrs Kasim, in Manchester. Can I just pick up a little bit of that call in Hindi? Jab koi…, apni zaban mein bhi zarur baat kar sakte hain, jo English nahin samajhte .Jo insaan abhi baithke sochta hai ki meri zindagi mein ye nahin hua, mera kaam sahi nahin hua, ya mere families mein bahut problems hain, main kisi ka bigaar nahin sochta, kisi ka bura nahin sochta, mere saath aisa kyun ho raha hai?

• Gurumaa: Dekhiye, pahli baat hamein ye samajhni hogi ki ham maa ke garbh mein they tab akele they aur chita mein ya kabr mein bhi ham akele hi honge. Aur agar ham apne mann ko isi akelepan mein raaji rakhna seekh jaayein, aur woh tabhi hoga agar hum apne andar bandagi ki us khushi ko, us masti ko, jis masti ko leke ek fakir malang ki tarah nachta hai; agar woh masti hamein leni aa jaaye, aap soch ke dekhiye aapko kis cheez ki parwah reh jaayegi. Main ek geet kaafi gaya karti hun,
  ‘Wah wah ki mauj fakiran di, kadi chabawe chana chabena, kadi leve laptan kheeran di,’ haan,
  “Mang tang ke tukde khaande, chalde chaal ameeran di,wah wah ki mauj fakiran di’.

• Kuch nahin hai fakir ke paas, lekin uske paas ek cheez hai, ye vishwas, pehli baat, hum is duniya mein apni marzi se to aaye nahin, ek din achanak we popped out of the mother’s womb, baahar aaye to dekha duniya dikh rahi hai, kuch sunai de gaya, kuch cheezen khaane ko mil gayin, chhune ko mil gayin, kuch khelne ko mil gayin, aur dheere dheere isi sachhai ko sweekar kar liya aur hum ye bhul gaye ki jab hum aaye apni marzi se nahin, to jaayenge bhi apni marzi se nahin. Jis din chahega, wo saans ka dhaaga kaat dega, us kaatne wale ko aap prakriti keh do, nature keh do, rab keh do, bhagwan keh do, it doesn’t make any difference, but something which gave us life, ek din usne zindagi waapis leni hi leni hai.

• To ye zindagi mein mere liye sabse zyada important, zaroori cheez kya hai? Woh pounds jo meri jeb mein nahin hain, ya woh jo saans jo chal rahi hai, saans ki dori toot jaaye, aapke paas million pounds ho, kya karoge? Doosre mauj udayenge, bachhe mauj udainge, padosi mauj udayenge, aur koi nahin to phir sarkar mauj udayegi. Kyonki koi claim karne waala nahin, to sarkar ke paas jaayega sab kuch.

• Sonia Deol: Anandmurtiji, ek aur sawal uthta hai.

• Gurumaa: Ji.

• Sonia Deol: Jo log kehte hain ke ki theek hai, jo aap kya keh rahe hai, theek hai, par mere paas paise zyada nahin hain, mere paas ye bills aate hain, mortgage payment hai, financial problems hain…………, iske saath kaise balance karen?

• Gurumaa: Ye bills zyada bare kyun ho gaye? Is liye nahin ki aap roti khaa rahe the, aap ka uska roti ka bill zyada nahin aaya, aapne kuch aisi kwahishat paal li theen, aapne kuch aisi shopping kar li hai, aapne kuch aisi cheezon ko le liya hai market se, jis ki shayad aapko zaroorat hi bhi nahin, lekin doosron ko dikhane ke liye ek acchi dress pehen ke, ek acchi gaadi mein baith ke, ya ek mehengi perfume lagaa karke aap khushi dhoond rahe hain. Toh maaf kijiye, bill to bare hoi jayenge aapke. Main ye samajhti hun, kam se kam is desh mein jo log reh rahe hain, even in India mein reh rahe hain, koi bhukha nahin sota hoga. Rozgar milta hai, chhat sir ke upar hai, par ab aap ko suddenly villa chahiye, penthouse chahiye aur……………

• Sonia Deol: I wanted to come back to English for a second, because I want to say, for younger people, this is a big thing at the moment.

• Gurumaa: I know it is a big thing.

• Sonia Deol: You know, I must have a great car, I must have a fantastic house, I must wear designer clothes, I want to be……..

• Gurumaa: I really wish Sonia, I really wish Sonia that some of the youth could take some inspiration from Mr Bill Gates or Mr Warren Buffet, who have given up their whole money in the benefit of helping out people. They have set up the charity funds. Why couldn’t they take some inspiration from such people? They had all the money, but they finally found happiness by giving it away. So this means, when you give it away, you are claiming your right of peace and happiness. The problem is that such examples are so few and somehow, everyone is missing upon that.

• Sonia Deol: What would you say to the person that says, ‘Well, it’s easy for them to give it away, because they still have enough to live with, and they have a great lifestyle, but I am struggling?’

• Gurumaa: Well, I think so, lot of industrialists were never born with a silver spoon in their mouth. They worked hard and hard and hard and finally they made a place for themselves. And when they had reached these heights, they got this final wisdom dawning upon them that they are incomplete. So, to feel that completeness, they had to give it away.

• Sonia Deol: Do you feel………

• Gurumaa: Let me just give a small example. You ate food, food is in your stomach, and it is going through the whole system of digestion. How would you feel relaxed until all these products leave your body? Do you give it away or do you hold it within you? Are you getting my point?

• Sonia Deol: Completely… (Both laugh)

• Gurumaa: Just imagine, for three days you haven’t gone to toilet…..

• Sonia Deol: Yes, I can’t imagine……

• Gurumaa: Or water retention has happened in the body and the water isn’t going out of the body. Will that make you happy or giving away will make you happy? I know this is a very crude example. (Both laugh)

• Sonia Deol: But it makes your point so well. We’ve got on the phone line, Mahender Singh. Hello, Mahender Singh.

• M Singh: Hello ji.

• Sonia Deol: Hello ji. Sat Sri Akal

• M Singh: Sat Sri Akal ji.

• Sonia Deol: Haan ji. Tusi dasso.

• M Singh: Main na Gurumaaji nu puchna channa aan….. First of all, welcome to Gurumaaji.

• Gurumaa: Thank you ji, thank you ji.

• 
  M Singh: E kende sa ki e jeda mind e na, main…. mera belief haiga God jera koi baar nei hega, na koi banda na koi hega, koi pashu koi nei, e mind ei mera khyal e God e aa. Mind is the God.

• Gurumaa (Laughs) Ji .

• M Singh: Hain ji? Mera e soch e aa ki jis tarah massive computer e aa he. E mind jera, God is like a computer with a massive hard drive. Asi koi bhi maada ja changa kaam karde aan, woh hard drive pe save ho jaanda. Te jadon computer te chaldi e hard drive, o jede sanu koi oda phal milda ya sazaa mildi e, to asi sochdeyan ke e pichle janam da ho. Aur jadon ye hard drive work kardi e na, us vele, vo computer usi vele result show kar denda e. Kei dafa saanu cheta renda, kei baari nei cheta renda. Te mera question e ha ki jeda mein head round nahin kar sakya aj tak………….

• Gurumaa: Haanji, haanji. (Laughs)

• M Singh: Te jis tarah ke bacchha paida honda e, reincarnation, onu pichla cheta aanda e, ho sakda e, possible e yaa..

• Sonia Deol: Kende honde a

• M Singh: Haan ji, kende hone e ki pichle janam de………….

• Gurumaa: Twada sawaal ki e? Ji twada sawaal ke e?

• M Singh: Mera kehna, e main sochda e ki o jedi hard drive e, which I …. bahut believe karna peya, zaroor likhya janda twadda hard drive te,

• Gurumaa : Ji, ji ,ji.

• M Singh: O transport kis tarah aandi e nayi life de bicho?

• Gurumaa: Nahin, aisa hai, asi twanu bada saukha karke jawab dene aan. Sadde tinn sharir ne, ik sthul sharir jeda panja tatvan da baneya, ik sadda suksham sharir, jidech vich panch gyanindriyan, panch karmindriyan, man, buddhi, chit aur ahankar hai aur teesra sharir e, sadda kaaran sharir e. Jinno asi maut kenden, sirf baar wa sthul sharir di gross body di hondi e, suksham sharir oi banaya renda e, aur oi jeda hai, apni icchha va vasnavan, sanskaran nu le kar ke, kyunki ode andar bahut saarie tamanna ne, jo odi purti vaaste parmatma pher ik nava sharir de denda e…

• M Singh: Haan ji.

• Gurumaa: Jis kari ke, e jedi saari functioning e basically, it is functioning of the nature, e tatvan da, man da, aapas da milya hoya mel jol hai, twaddi gal bilkul sahi e, e hard drive de naal i chaldi e, baar la khaka bas badal janda, andar di machinery bas oi di oi rendi. Man ohi renda e, purana da purana. Man kadun shuru hoya si, shastr kenden odi koi din, tareek, murat, sadi nahin hai. E man bas chal hi reya e, e bi aadi kaal tu chal reya e. Par jede, jis aadmi ne gyan de naal, abhyas de naal, is man de upar vijay prapt kar li, o aadmi man de is dushchakkar ton baar aa janda.

• M Singh: Haan ji.

• Gurumaa: Use nu asi moksh kenne aan, use nu asi nirvaan kende aan, use nu asi salvation kenne aan.

• M Singh: Bahut ji dhanvaad twadda, thode shabdan vich kannara ho gaya.

• Gurumaa: Ji, ji, ji. Merbaani.

• Sonia Deol: Thank you, Mahender Singhji from Huddersfield.M Singh: Thank you ji.

• Sonia Deol: Tusi keda vi sawal puchna, jedi vi zabaan de vich, agar aapne Hindi mein baat karni hai, Punjabi mey, I dunno which language……

• Gurumaa: Urdu (laughs)

• Sonia Deol: Urdu mein, or whatever language you like, or you can speak in English. Here’s the number to call, 08-459-440-445. You can text 81869, you can email Sonia@bbc.co.uk,

I never hear you speaking about your family, you parents, any siblings. Do you ever speak about them?

• Gurumaa: Too mundane. I don’t think so that any…, too mundane.

• Sonia Deol: Really….

• Gurumaa: They have played their role, given me birth and thank you very much. (Both laugh)

• Sonia Deol: OK, where are they? (Laughs). Where are your parents and everybody?

• Gurumaa: See, my parents are always with me.

• Sonia Deol: OK. That’s a good answer (laughs).

• Gurumaa: See, this body is part of the father and the mother, so they are in me.

• Sonia Deol: Do you have any connection to your biological parents?

• Gurumaa: See, that’s what I am saying. The sperm and the ova which met…

• Sonia Deol: I love how graphic you get.

• Gurumaa: (Laughs) That is how this body came up. Right, so mother, father are already…., you are seeing them.

• Sonia Deol: (Laughs) It’s nice to meet your Mum and Dad.

• Gurumaa: Oh….., they are very happy to see you also.

• Sonia Deol: (Laughs) I am going to play another track now, Anandmurti. This is ‘laiyan main laiyan akhiyan’. So, iske baare mein aap zaroor thoda sa zikr kariye.

• Gurumaa: Mast gaana, pahle sun lo, phir baat karenge.

• Sonia Deol: Chalo, theek hai. Here we go.

The song track plays.

• Sonia Deol: Laiyan mein laiyan akhiyan, now you can tell us about this track.

• Gurumaa: (Laughs).

• Sonia Deol: Anandmurti Gurumaa on our show today.

• Gurumaa: OK. I am not saying it in humour, I am saying it very seriously. People always ask me, ‘Whom are you in a relationship with?’. So, this
  song is explaining that.

(Both laugh).

• Sonia Deol: We were, off the air, we were just talking about family and I love what you were saying. Just share that with everybody.

• Gurumaa: See, the family for people is the biological mother father, the siblings and the extended family.

• Sonia Deol: Right.

• Gurumaa: That is what the family is. But I believe once your understanding grows, the definition changes for you. And then, every living and breathing being becomes your family. It’s not a statement which I am making, it is something which I am living. So wherever I go world over, I am always in a home and I am always surrounded with my siblings.

• Sonia Deol: Are you always happy?

• Gurumaa: Maybe not, maybe yes.

• Sonia Deol: (Laughs)

• Gurumaa : (Laughs). See, happiness is opposite to being sad. I would say I am not happy and I am not sad. I am peaceful.

• Sonia Deol: You are peaceful; you are at peace within yourself.

• Gurumaa: Yes.

• Sonia Deol: I have lots of questions that are coming in and I want to like to ask them. They are really very good questions that are here. This one says, ‘My mother-in-law has always been aggressive, taunts me, everything I say is taken the wrong way. I’ve tried for years to make the relationship work for my husband. I now have a child. The situation has gotten worse. She always pushes me out of family situations and I don’t know how to handle the emotional and the psychological effects of this. So, I suffered post-natal depression after my baby because of the nasty things that my mother-in-law was saying to me and doing. She’s a very destructive person. How can I handle her? I’ve tried to cut off, but it’s not possible.’

• Gurumaa: Well, I believe your mother-in-law is a very unhappy person and she never got her piece of love or calmness. That is why she is just giving it away to others who are around her. If you could do it, it’s a very courageous thing, which I am going to ask you. If you can try it and that is, hug your mother-in-law every morning, evening, afternoon. Say all good and nice things to her and forget about….., because just see that she must have gone through a very painful life journey and that is why she is oozing with this poison. If only she could have met someone who could have given her love, because love is something, care and attention is something which every human mind seeks, but when you don’t get it and you have lot of insecurities in you that is how you begin to behave. The destructive way is actually a way she is trying to protect her own mind. And wherever the weaker person is there, who is dependable and the person can bully, she just kind of gets her small moments of, you know….

• Sonia Deol: Pleasure……..

• Gurumaa: Pleasure, pleasure. What others did to her, in a way she is doing it to you. So, if you wish to break this cycle, then create so much of love. I know you would say, I don’t get loved, how can I create love? You can do that by spending some time with your own self. And spend some time with your mind, breathe properly, do some mantra, and read some poetry, sing a song, do a dance, do something which makes you happy and then, ooze it out all on your mother-in-law.

• Sonia Deol: So the key thing, what you are saying is, not to think about what she is doing to you….

• Gurumaa: No, no, no. We should go to the root of the problem.

• Sonia Deol: Think about what you can do for that person.

• Gurumaa: Let me tell you one thing. In ashram sometimes some girls or women come and they say that they have pimples coming on their face and I ask them one question. Do you have too much acidity, they say yes. I ask, do you think too much, yes. OK, correct this. They say, how does this relate to my pimples? Pimples are basically…., the root is your stomach. You would say, how? Because when you are stressed, ACTHNCRH, that gives result to more cortisone that results in more such enzymes in your stomach, which will create more of a pita, more of a heat in your body, which is going to come out through your skin.

• Sonia Deol: Another question which relates. I am married with two lovely children, I am always smiling and happy, even when I have problems. My wife is always the opposite, she’s angry and moody. What can I do?

• Gurumaa: Well, you can’t do anything. Nobody could do anything to their wife or the woman in their life. The only thing what you can do is, be a little patient with her. Can you do that? Now being patient again requires a lot of strength, because you have children involved. I am really sorry to say this, but I always have a very strong opinion about it, that before a husband wife understand one another, they have no right to bring children in this world, because they are not only going to destroy one another, they are going to destroy that innocent baby’s life too. When so much of fighting and abuse is running in the house, do you think the child will not get affected with it? Yes, the child is going to grow up to be an abusive and a brat child. So we really need to think about it and I believe that any wise head of a family should talk about this to their newly-wed children that please take time to understand one other. You can fight, squirm and do whatever before you have a child. You should only give birth to a child when you have fully developed a strong relationship with one another where you are going to pass on love vibes to one another.

• Sonia Deol: It’s amazing what you say, when we know that sometimes in Asian families, quite often when a couple is having problems, the parents will say, ‘Have a baby’.

• Gurumaa: That is the sick life, I am sorry to say. This is the kind of a sick life which they have lived. Because of the children, they feel bonded, out of burden to one another. Is it the way to live? I don’t think this is the right way to live. And if you see the youth today; if you see the kids today – they have quite a temper. They have quite an attitude, from where is it coming, it is coming from the parents.

• Sonia Deol: That’s exactly what we are going to pick up after the news. We are going to be talking about the youth; because that is something you are focusing on in your courses this time round, in your time in the UK. So, the youth course is going to be focusing on main problems that you see with the Mechanics of the Mind. We are going to talk more about that after the news. Our special guest on the show here at BBC Asia, Anandmurti Gurumaa. Any questions or if you want to say, ‘Hi’, text 81869 or you can call us at 459-440-445.

• Pratibha: Hello, I am Pratibha.

• Sonia Deol: Oh, Pratibha, How are you?

• Pratibha: Fine. Pranam, Gurumaa.

• Gurumaa: Pranam.

• Pratibha: Main bahut nervous ho rahi hun aapse baat karte hue.

• Gurumaa: Arre, nervous mat ho. Aaram se baat kar.

• Pratibha: Haan ji. Aap se ye poochna tha ki dependency aur harmony, aapne bataya hai. Dependency kya hoti hai? Because I am a housewife.
  I cannot work now because I have two children. I have to take care of them. So, am I dependent upon my husband?

• Gurumaa: No, I don’t think you are dependent. I think, mere mazaak ko mazaak ki tarah lena. Tum bachche ghar se to lai nahi thi, peehar se, yahin
  paida huye, usi ke saath hue hain, to tum dono ne hi palna hai unko. Ek kaam kar raha hai, ek ghar sambhal raha hai. You are not dependent, you are just sharing your life and sharing life means sharing responsibilities and duties. And enjoy this motherhood. Don’t allow your mind to feel that you are dependent upon him. Maybe he is dependent on you for taking care of the kids and running the house. So you are both doing your job. So do it happily. Don’t have any grudge, don’t feel you are lesser than him because he goes out to work and you don’t go out to work. It’s the same thing, both of you are working.

• Pratibha: OK. Aur aap ne koi kitaab nikali hai, kuch mujhe sikhaiye ki kaise bachchon ko paalun positive way mein aur mein chahti hun or aapki guidance….

• Gurumaa: Simple, simple. Meri baat sun, tu gaane gaati hai, chaar filmy gaane le le, ya jaise mera sun rahi thi, ‘Laiya main laiya’, ‘Ishq hi Maula’, is tarah ki CD mangwa le, usko subah lagaya, sham lagaya, dupahar lagaya, khub dance kiya kar. Agar tu nacheji, bachche nachenge, teri exercise bhi ho jayegi, you will sweat a lot, you will lose all your toxins, you will definitely feel happy. Nacha gaya karo, bhai.

• Pratibha: Thanks (laughs).

• Gurumaa: Aur nervous mat hua kar, chahe tere saamne koi ho.

• Sonia Deol: Thank you.

• Pratibha: Pata nahin, main na bolte hue na, kuch bhi bol deti hun, soch ….

• Gurumaa: Main is liye tere ko kah rahi hun, tu gaaya kar, tu gaayegi to tera bolne ka confidence sahi ho jaayega.

• Sonia Deol: Very good, very good advice, Pratibha from Netherlands. Thank you very much. You know what, the beautiful coincidence is, aap yahan par hain, in the middle of what we are describing as Get Healthy, right here on the BBC Asia Network. Yes, and we are talking about exercise.

• Gurumaa: Let me just then give you another information. I have just written a book, that’s ‘Health and Healing through Yoga’, in which I have explained the three major systems of our body, especially the digestion, your sleep, your hypertension, your heart. And then, what to do, what to eat, what asanas to do, what breathing to do, especially how to have a very deep sleep so that in the morning, you have sufficient hormones and chemicals working in your body. So, this book I would suggest to your listeners that if they can get it, they can get it online and they can buy the e-book. Please read that, gift yourself this wonderful book. Easy to follow instructions, easy to follow asanas and at least you will come to know that lot of your troubles are just because you are having a wrong lifestyle, and you were not moving your joints enough. You were not feeling happy enough and you were not feeling calm enough. And let me tell you, your breath is the most important key in your body. If you can manage a certain rhythm in your breathing, if you bring that rhythm, your mind will just be so calm and so peaceful, just by managing your breath. And that alone will give you, for example, one thing which I am observing, over here Britishers are calling this season, the season of allergies. Now, I would like to mention one thing, all allergies are there just because you have a weaker immune system and you have a lot of unwanted toxins in your stomach. So, if you could learn the cleansing technique called kunjal, it will clean up your stomach, your food pipe and it’s unbelievable; and I have seen hundreds of people coming out of their allergies just because of that.

• Sonia Deol: Now, we are running out of time. There are so many things I want to throw at you and one of the things is that, somebody’s message is here. ‘I understand that being happy is the key’, says this person. ‘But I had three miscarriages. And I find it very difficult to accept the reality that is happening in my life.’

• Gurumaa: My friend, I would just like to give you a very important advice and that is, you have a very weaker, uro-genital system. If you could work with some asanas, you will have such a strong uterus and you will have such a strong glandular system, that once you have corrected your body, at least for one year, do right asanas and right breathing and right food….

• Sonia Deol: What is an asana?

• Gurumaa: Asanas are the postures in which you go and hold it for some time and in these yogic asanas, there is a series of such asanas, especially for the women, for the menopausal women, and for those who wish to have a child, they must have a very strong uterus and ovarian system. They have to have very strong hypothalamus and pituitary gland and the thyroid should be working perfectly. Because of the stress levels, they put their whole body into jeopardy. This becomes one reason for the miscarriages. So, I would just advise that please meet some certified yoga teacher, not a TV teacher, certified yoga teacher, learn the basic postures which are very-very important for a woman’s body and then, after a year, give a gap, do a lot of mantra, lot of pranayama, lot of asanas and then, the right time would definitely come that you would be successfully have right pregnancy term and will deliver a baby.

• Sonia Deol: On your course, you are going to be concentrating this time round, mainly on the youth of today. Before the news, you were talking about one of the things you’ve noticed among young people is that they have a temper and they don’t…

• Gurumaa: They don’t have direction like they have no understanding what the desire will do to them and how living future-oriented is spoiling their present moment. And how they are not capable enough to create such a healthy and such a vibrant, present moment that they don’t have to wait for future, week or month or year to bring them happiness. See, if you are living a hell in this present moment, forget it you will get a heaven in the next coming season. Heaven is something which you need to create with the right mindset, right lifestyle, right thinking, right contemplation, right meditation and right food which is going in. Let me just give you one suggestion. I am not generalizing it, but if you are kapha prakriti as per the ayurveda, and if you eat loads of yoghurt in the evening and at night and if you eat stale foods and if you are using lot of processed food, packed food, it’s a sure shot way to be sick. So you need to know what to eat, what not to eat, when to eat, when not to eat. If you don’t know that, I don’t know what kind of life is being lived by you.

• Sonia Deol: So that’s most important. Another question here that’s come in. This is from a woman who says she got divorced after an abusive marriage. She says she has two beautiful boys, she’s 42 and a single parent. And she says as much as I try and stay positive, she actually feels quite low and unhappy. She says, in front of family members, she’s always smiling, but behind the scenes, she’s missing that companionship. She says, how do I deal with this?

• Gurumaa: My dear, either you live positively, or you don’t. You can’t say, ‘I’m trying to be positive. The problem is this that you don’t wish to accept the fact that you don’t know how to be positive. Everyone is just repeating this statement, ‘Live positively’, but how, no one is telling about that. Now I am hitting that core question and that is, how you can create positivity and that is what the Involution is. That is all about your mind, your life and getting the direction and I am not there to lead you to the way. I am just to inspire, give you the basics and then leave you on your own to practice and if you have any trouble, you can always fall back on me to take my advice.

• Sonia Deol: It’s the tools. You are providing the tools.

• Gurumaa: Ya, it is the tools that I will provide and I wish to see people self-sufficient, not being dependent even on me. And I hate this when people say, ‘You bless us’. I say ‘Why, why can’t you pray yourself, get your blessings. Do it yourself. Why do you need me to give you blessings?’

• Sonia Deol: OK, talking about blessings and prayer, there is a question I wanted to ask you. Do you have to be in a religious place to meditate or can you meditate anywhere?

• Gurumaa: If you know how to meditate, you can meditate in a prostitution place (laughs). Khalil Gibran did that. Khalil Gibran would sit in the taverns and he was in this meditative, prayerful state of mind. It is not about the place, it is all about whether you know how to do it or you don’t know how to do it.

• Sonia Deol: Just give me a couple of tips before we finish off, because we are out of time, on how to meditate.

• Gurumaa: You see the thing is, I can’t give a tip over here, because it can only be given when I am served something. I haven’t been served, so how can I tip you?

• Sonia Deol: (Laughs)

• Gurumaa: The only thing which I can suggest is, please join in the Involution and I will serve you the meal and also not take any tip from you.

• Sonia Deol: Not take any tip from me. I just wanted to say that Anandmurti Gurumaa is going to be at the Ram Mandir in Walsall, which is in the West Midlands. So Ram Mandir, Walsall from tonight onwards you are going to be here till the 21st. From tonight till the 21st of May, every evening from 7 to 9.30, you are doing daily sermons on….

• Gurumaa: Not sermons, please.

• Sonia Deol: What would you like to call it?

• Gurumaa: I will be giving a talk, a friendly talk.

• Sonia Deol: A friendly talk?

• Gurumaa: I am not a priest who will sermonize to you. I don’t do that.

• Sonia Deol: (Laughs) A friendly talk, a friendly talk. Ram Mandir, Walsall. From tonight till 21st of May, every evening 7 till 9.30. This is an absolutely free event. And there is a charge for the course, isn’t there? This is for the Involution course, this is where you are concentrating on the youth.

• Gurumaa: (Laughs) Yes, yes, yes.

• Sonia Deol: And this is happening on the….

• Gurumaa: Friday, Saturday, Sunday. That would be….

• Sonia Deol: 3rd, 4th and 5th of June.

• Gurumaa: Yes.

• Sonia Deol: 3rd, 4th and 5th of June. And if you want more details of this, you can call this number, 07968535367, that is Maggie, to find out more about these courses and what is happening there. I’d like to say a massive thank you for coming in, thank you so much. It’s been a pleasure. And as always, we’ve run out of time once again.

• Gurumaa: (Laughs) Ya, I know. We have repeated it again.

• Sonia Deol: Till next year. Thank you.

• Gurumaa: OK. Thank you, Sonia so much. Thank you.